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Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases (Update

Bloomberg.com -- July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.
Benzene from turning crude oil into gasoline can cause leukemia, said Philip Landrigan, head of community and preventive medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. “Studies show excess rates of leukemia and related blood cancers in people, especially children, who live in communities adjacent to these refineries.”

Some of the same companies operate refineries in Europe with lower emissions than at their sites in the U.S. ...innovative technologies used by the same companies in refineries in Europe

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: teafortwo

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JustjoeWI Veteran Author Milwaukee Posts:397 Points:176,055 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:50:22 PM Ignore JustjoeWI Report Abuse I agree with aarrrt
hybridaholic Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,873 Points:308,930 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:49:33 PM Ignore hybridaholic Report Abuse No refineries around here
aarrrt Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,645 Points:444,410 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:47:57 PM Ignore aarrrt Report Abuse Why lower emissions in Europe than in the US? If they can be lowered there they can be lowered here, of course the tax paying citizens will take it in the shorts.
PokerAce Champion Author Baton Rouge Posts:3,406 Points:656,380 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:46:31 PM Ignore PokerAce Report Abuse Bring it on, but we'll end up paying the price tag for it ....
DeHavilland Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,214 Points:764,445 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:43:33 PM Ignore DeHavilland Report Abuse Ahh, of course. Now big oil can drive up the gas price using this as the reason. All the while claiming it's in our best interest.
Kato51 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,507 Points:1,010,770 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:43:04 PM Ignore Kato51 Report Abuse Strange that our refineries cause cancer and I haven't heard much about cancer in tghe middle east or Europe. How come?
Bonanza Champion Author Boston Posts:4,510 Points:1,290,825 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:41:38 PM Ignore Bonanza Report Abuse Let's all keep an eye open for those that are against these new curbs.
mach1lives Sophomore Author Riverside Posts:182 Points:400,940 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:40:20 PM Ignore mach1lives Report Abuse Another scam by the oil companies?
ramboTX Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,836 Points:551,940 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:33:34 PM Ignore ramboTX Report Abuse I think this is good. It will cost millions in clean up. Jobs for us in the clean up if we are careful to do it right. Are We ?
mike911 Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,516 Points:936,165 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:32:03 PM Ignore mike911 Report Abuse It is about time!
gasie1 Champion Author Maine Posts:3,910 Points:1,288,895 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:29:48 PM Ignore gasie1 Report Abuse Another 10 cents gas tax to study the matter.
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,510 Points:1,058,495 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:27:47 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse We need to protect ourselves from toxins produced by refineries. Why are our refiners doing things different here than in Europe. Our we less significant than Europeans?
hartman All-Star Author Lansing Posts:640 Points:309,610 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:26:40 PM Ignore hartman Report Abuse all its going to do is make energy cost more
mmene Champion Author Houston Posts:1,259 Points:330,020 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:24:29 PM Ignore mmene Report Abuse I don't often applaud government intervention, but in this case it is fully justified. Benzene is a terrible pollutant.
JediKnight Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:2,923 Points:1,346,960 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:16:43 PM Ignore JediKnight Report Abuse ByGuy, Sorry but isn't it in our interest to not poison ourselves... instead of saving a few cents at the pump? We are "paying" for the cancer already... not a bad idea to stop the cancer before it takes hold on those unfortunate to be down wind of the plant.
sobeton Sophomore Author Miami Posts:153 Points:88,945 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:06:33 PM Ignore sobeton Report Abuse How can we be the empire, the leaders of the world and do everything the wrong way. We don't produce anything, and when we do, there is a huge problem.
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,000 Points:405,560 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:02:00 PM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse We need to find a way to increase our refining capacity...without killing ourselves.
RAC110 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:1,448 Points:996,820 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:57:39 PM Ignore RAC110 Report Abuse can it be done to save lives will be interesting to see it happen
cruisingtx All-Star Author San Antonio Posts:704 Points:281,235 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:57:11 PM Ignore cruisingtx Report Abuse Another upgrade at the refineries, another jump at the pump!
star_deceiver Champion Author British Columbia Posts:2,302 Points:468,390 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:55:58 PM Ignore star_deceiver Report Abuse Wow, what a waste of time!!!
heysailor Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:3,219 Points:1,070,725 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:54:19 PM Ignore heysailor Report Abuse A company won't do anything regarding safety or emissions that it's not required to do. [Edited by: heysailor at 7/4/2009 6:55:22 PM EST]
ByGuy Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,893 Points:517,175 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:54:07 PM Ignore ByGuy Report Abuse Sorry but the Admin is against US interests when it comes to energy.
eddmac Champion Author Washington Posts:3,152 Points:729,165 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:52:36 PM Ignore eddmac Report Abuse Balance, we as society must decide what are acceptable risks.
olcowboy14 Champion Author Spokane Posts:3,240 Points:536,110 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:47:23 PM Ignore olcowboy14 Report Abuse Every one bitchin' about everything, any wonder companies are moving to foreign countries. Be careful when you cross the road, they are dangerous too. Get real!
kookiwoogi Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,994 Points:1,574,540 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:46:42 PM Ignore kookiwoogi Report Abuse A day late and a dollar short.
kyrunner Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,323 Points:438,075 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:42:00 PM Ignore kyrunner Report Abuse I am sure when the Cap & Tax bill gets passed our refineries can shut down and import ALL reined products. Now that is change we can believe in.
ccycles All-Star Author Missouri Posts:807 Points:635,670 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:39:02 PM Ignore ccycles Report Abuse "Why not blame Obama that refinery benzene emissions cause cancer in children? Blame Obama for cancer, too." no that would take some dumb a$$ like bush
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,522 Points:522,855 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:38:20 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse Perhaps we can work a deal with Iran where they refine our oil for us?
CruisinLinda Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:4,987 Points:1,012,410 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:35:01 PM Ignore CruisinLinda Report Abuse Why not blame Obama that refinery benzene emissions cause cancer in children? Blame Obama for cancer, too.
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,507 Points:731,310 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:34:31 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse Why don't they use the technologies that Europe is using. One reason, greed.
nigelb Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,992 Points:332,160 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:32:53 PM Ignore nigelb Report Abuse dred001 - the environmental restrictions are far more stringent in Europe!
hwnguy Champion Author Honolulu Posts:1,897 Points:416,495 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:18:07 PM Ignore hwnguy Report Abuse need more renewable energy
john382 Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,096 Points:1,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:14:22 PM Ignore john382 Report Abuse NIMBY that is what anyone would say. We need to find a new way of doing things not shutting things down. (Not In My Back Yard)
beachbumCA Champion Author Riverside Posts:2,550 Points:487,585 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:12:39 PM Ignore beachbumCA Report Abuse This is a fact. We only want gas from the oil industry. Soon our government will run the refineries.
dred001 All-Star Author San Jose Posts:660 Points:63,835 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:08:14 PM Ignore dred001 Report Abuse in europe they build new refineries...here the EPA has killed most new efforts..and barely allows refineries to upgrade...EnviroNAZI'a reap what they sow! And now they make it seem like the refiners are the bad guys
fightbigoil71 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:1,451 Points:321,580 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:06:56 PM Ignore fightbigoil71 Report Abuse We can never insulate ourselves from every situation that is potentially harmful.
misterray Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,059 Points:299,200 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:02:33 PM Ignore misterray Report Abuse Crap! This might cause gasoline prices to go up.
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,450 Points:253,680 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:01:58 PM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse This is just one of the hidden costs of petroleum, another is the amount of pollution from the tanker ship, and the military costs for protecting the oil companies.
JPGKC Champion Author Tampa Posts:4,419 Points:820,500 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:00:18 PM Ignore JPGKC Report Abuse Chemicals we have used for years are now starting to bite us in the butt...
gassyjack Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,206 Points:2,332,700 Joined:Mar 2002	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:51:10 PM Ignore gassyjack Report Abuse If these suckers can do it in Europe, they can do it here and they better start.
seville04 Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:1,870 Points:881,805 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:46:05 PM Ignore seville04 Report Abuse Benzene is very very bad, a true carcinogen.
pokey469 Champion Author Hamilton Posts:1,134 Points:261,215 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:45:56 PM Ignore pokey469 Report Abuse I can almost here the price going up as a result.
RobRD Champion Author Alberta Posts:3,132 Points:756,785 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:44:43 PM Ignore RobRD Report Abuse The oil companies are going to have to upgrade their plants.
JayMac08 Champion Author Jackson Posts:3,386 Points:205,430 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:44:25 PM Ignore JayMac08 Report Abuse Obama is so naive, you can't save the world because You want it to happen.
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:1,673 Points:152,450 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:43:21 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Lets just simplify it, eh?. Go GREEN. Get BIG OIL out of our pockets, out of our lungs, out of our systems. Those of you that feel you MUST have your BENZENE FIX, you can chug the stuff for all I care. Just get big oil POISONS out of our SHARED environment.
Cheepo Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,777 Points:1,923,740 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:43:12 PM Ignore Cheepo Report Abuse What else are they going to blame oil companies on???
PithyOpiner Champion Author Stockton Posts:3,915 Points:429,300 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:39:22 PM Ignore PithyOpiner Report Abuse So, just move those people away from the source of the carcinogens. Do I have to think of everything. Jeesh!!
YumaKacz Veteran Author Arizona Posts:466 Points:381,570 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:34:24 PM Ignore YumaKacz Report Abuse This is just another way for the government to keep the prices high.
us412 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:10,796 Points:1,173,645 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:30:54 PM Ignore us412 Report Abuse Is there any proof of these allegations? It is very easy to throw around accusations even by this President w/o any evidence, even easier for this guy to do. Something like the big law suite by parents of these kids where the refiners lost. Statements by people feeding at the gvmnt trough and beholden for their next meal doesn't sway many but the brain washed.
Bud122CA Champion Author California Posts:1,640 Points:408,210 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:30:40 PM Ignore Bud122CA Report Abuse I wish someone would show him (Obama) the door. OUT
CruisinLinda Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:4,987 Points:1,012,410 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:30:07 PM Ignore CruisinLinda Report Abuse Why wasn't cancer-causing benzene emission stopped years ago to protect the children?! Oh, yes, we had an adminstration which favored profits or somewhat cheaper gas over health of children. Some of the posters seem to still be in that dark space.