1006

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Birmingham
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 6:04:35 PM
God created man to rule over the world . . we just must weigh the costs & treat carefully.
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Martinman

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 7:30:14 AM
scotte from lost angeles posted...
"Hey if they ban them then we consumers are gonna really pay. The Eco effects from latest gulf disaster are showing no huge ill effects just as the last big Gulf spill shows very little in disaster."
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And you base these statements on what facts?
The facts are, that the last large spill resulting from a well failure did have environmental consequences, and continues to to this day - from the 1979 Ictox I blowout. There continues to be last effects from the Exxon-Valdez spill in Prince William Sound. And, the consequences of the Macondo well blowout won't be fully known for decades - especially given that British Petroleum heavily used dispersants to deliberately hide the crude oil underwater, keeping it "out-of-sight, out-of-mind".
You were saying...?
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 5:24:55 AM
as long as it's not BP and the safety rules are followed more to the letter it may be okay. Time will tell.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 5:15:23 AM
ScottE: it may not SHOW much, but it has done a lot of damage, nevertheless.
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Bonanza

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Boston
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 4:27:31 AM
As long as they're following better safety guidelines they should be OK
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ScottE

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 1:44:45 AM
Hey if they ban them then we consumers are gonna really pay. The Eco effects from latest gulf disaster are showing no huge ill effects just as the last big Gulf spill shows very little in disaster.
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traindude

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2010 12:28:22 AM
wasn't there supposed to be a drilling ban?
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us4usa

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:52:17 PM
We need the oil.... Would be nice if these rig could be in shallow water or even on land.
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tedjm1

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New York
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:23:59 PM
Created for the deep drilling. Costs must be kept in check, safety of prime concern.
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Scotty99QC

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:23:24 PM
Always hoping it will work well.
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biza4u

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New Haven
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:20:10 PM
Time to move forward
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DosEquis26

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:19:27 PM
The decision making process and chain of command in such an operation needs to be precise. No tours allowed. Period.
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JohnofGB

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Flint
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:18:53 PM
I guess most of the easy to find crude oil is gone. Now, the not so easy to find.
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1cheapgasin

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:16:00 PM
$3 billion ? Wondering if I can get a senior citizen discount?
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CumminsFanOH

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:13:50 PM
Haven't you figured out yet, Obuma is really working on destroying this country.
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Edtx2009

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Houston
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:12:35 PM
Drill, Baby Drill.
Papa needs that gas.
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ssect8

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:12:01 PM
Our country needs oils because the idiots in charge won't move us to nuclear.
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LoneGuy

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:11:27 PM
No more of this from US in the Gulf now that Obama fraudulently took engineers signatures from a study indicating more care should be paid to deepwater (5000) feet deep wells and put the signatures to authorize a ban on all rigs 500 ft and more. Our rigs and jobs will be gone for at least 10 years now.
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Bubba44612

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:10:27 PM
But the rewards are even greater. Over a million gallons of crude just spurted out of a 24 inch well.
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:09:42 PM
There are risks involved in everything we do.
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DrLyon

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:08:47 PM
Risk yes, but safety always...
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Bigwaynef

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:07:36 PM
This is the full article, there is no more...
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hotrod_brother

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 11:05:07 PM
HiGramma,
Listen to your Dad maybe you will learn something.
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HiGramma

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:59:43 PM
According to Glenn Beck or one of the other extreeme right fanatics my dad listens to on the radio, the BP accident was caused by environuts forcing further offshore drilling in deep water where there are methane gas pockets under high pressure ... any thoughts on that?
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TIGERPAW46

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Florida
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:58:55 PM
We already depend too heavily on Gulf Oil Rigs. We need to place more shale oil wells on land. The Gulf is too dangerous for spills & subject to damage and blockage of shipments for 4-5 mo. of the year due to Hurricanes & storms. On land drilling is more easily protected.
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DrCashFlow

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:57:58 PM
if you undertake something risky, you should pay the consequences if failure occurs. most people take risks with other people's money.
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:56:10 PM
The link to the original article is a proprietary link. One must have a user ID and password with the New York Times in order to read it. GB news articles should all have open-source links, no exceptions.
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packards42

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Washington
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:53:32 PM
. And even then, the SCF Baltica tanker is being escorted by two nuclear-powered ice breakers.
Surprised this a cheaper option with the escort ships. quicker for sure.
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packards42

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Washington
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:50:04 PM
Smart engineering, to produce and drill off the same platform.
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marvin42

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Salt Lake City
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:49:56 PM
judgemobile: TAKE OUT THE TRASH (on Election Day)
That's right, take out the trash on election day and replace them with new and improved trash.
Moron citizens of this country will never learn....People always get the government they deserve, everywhere in the world. America, enjoy your government. You deserve it!
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AKmailman

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Alaska
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:46:50 PM
maybe we can get some "uncorrupted" oversight this time
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Bus561

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:42:47 PM
These risks are fine as long as some idiot doesn't push the panic button and get hap hazard about what he is doing.
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Chris46

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:39:47 PM
Its all a risk. No pain, no gain.
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mdskier

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:34:31 PM
Another ticking time bomb for an oil blowout disaster.
[Edited by: mdskier at 8/30/2010 11:35:01 PM EST]
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judgemobile

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:26:07 PM
it has been proven time and time again: you want the BIG rewards ? You have to take the BIG risks. Americans are willing to do so and that is why (until 1/20/2009) we WERE the greatest country on earth. We can bring that spirit back Nov 2, 2010 by remembering the MOST IMPORTANT chore to do that day, so write it on your calendars:
TAKE OUT THE TRASH (on Election Day)
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NorthglennBill

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Denver
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:26:06 PM
$3 billion rigs can create $30 billion messes.
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ricker8

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:15:16 PM
Deep drilling is still a high risk operation and I believe that more oil can be found on land and not down a mile and a half in the water where no one can assure that the big spill won't occur again
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panama303

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Denver
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:05:43 PM
I still believe that the Obama and Pelosi administration wanted this disaster to help further their communist socialist agenda.
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Lukus

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Halifax
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:05:28 PM
They might be building to a real disaster with their drilling.
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EVBuddy

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Nevada
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:03:17 PM
So mexico may be the next big spill maker.
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djgunrunner

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Salt Lake City
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:01:53 PM
After watching the BP debacle they should have a renewed idea of safety.
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cdanielwyke

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 10:00:06 PM
The BP disaster never would have happened if the proper precautions were taken.
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zimowski

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:57:18 PM
Hopefully these riskier rigs have more than one fail-safe mechanism.
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idigau22

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Washington
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:44:04 PM
Drill on land! Drill in shallow water! Keep drilling!!
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PetroPedro

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Florida
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:42:49 PM
Thank-you tree hugging enviro whack jobs
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briank299

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:39:22 PM
Risk - This simply means that an accident will eventually happen. What have you learned this past summer? I know what I learned - I'd rather have an oil spill on LAND than 2 miles below the ocean. Pick your poison...
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BKool

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:37:44 PM
Danger and risk drive technology. Much to the chagrin of trial lawyers,
you cannot make the world "idiot" proof.
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FlyNFool

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:32:12 PM
Environmentalists drove the wells further offshore.
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:29:23 PM
this is what happens when the easier oil on land is not allowed to be drilled for due to pressures here
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DEG

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2010 9:28:24 PM
As long as they install proper shut-off valves, I am all for it. The economy will still need oil for at least the next several decades or longer.
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